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Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: Mark J.Cairns] #3496
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Just bought the EP, and lemme just say... Jan/Mark in 2012!

Seriously amazing. That Seasons 2/3 Extended theme has to be one of the best recorded under the "Airwolf" name ever. They sound better than the originals. I know I sound like a broken record, but with this absolutely BEYOND FLAWLESS production, my brains melt at the prospect of a Season 4 main theme on the AET album.

Something tells me that sequel album in 2010/11, once we all hear it, we probably can call it a day and die. It won't get any better. grin

Just some questions...

What exactly are the origins of the cut 2, the 'Season 2 Minimalist' theme? I was a bit confused going in, I was expecting the "Sweet Britches" aerial.

Also, what are the origins of the final cut, just 'Airwolf Minimalist Main Theme'? Did this appear in the show, or is it Jan doing his own thang?

Anyways, amazing work guys, give yourself a pat on the back, amazing job, keep it up, and you've made the wait for 'Airwolf Extended Themes' just that much harder. Mission accomplished.

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Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: St. John Hawke] #3497
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Originally Posted by St. John Hawke
What exactly are the origins of the cut 2, the 'Season 2 Minimalist' theme? I was a bit confused going in, I was expecting the "Sweet Britches" aerial.


Not sure if I get your question correctly, but if you're asking which episodes it's from, then the answer is "Fallen Angel" (the part when Cait picks something up on radar) and from 02:22 - "HX1" (finale aerial). The outro (last 20 seconds or so) is pretty much my own thing.

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Also, what are the origins of the final cut, just 'Airwolf Minimalist Main Theme'? Did this appear in the show, or is it Jan doing his own thang?


Yes, it most certainly did!

00:00-00:23 - this is from "Mind of the Machine" (arrival at the test site; "That's it?" / "Not exactly downtown USA" dialog)
00:23-01:18 - either "Mind of the Machine" or "Mad Over Miami" (the "Chasing Hurricanes" scene)
01:18-03:23 - Red Star Test Run (this is from the "Movie" version of the Pilot, not the CBS TV Pilot that is on your Season 1 DVDs!)
03:23-06:12 - from "Inn at the End of the Road" (the canyon chase)

Hope this helps.

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Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: Jan Michal Szulew] #3498
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question are you planning a version of the season 2-3 theme that is like the one you can download off of airwolf uk which is 3:15 seconds or something more than that for the cd

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Greatly helps, and answers the questions. Thank you.

I'm hoping there's a complete breakdown of this stuff, track by track (unless obviously identifiable) on the liner notes for AET. Just for quick reference.

Thx on the heads up for the 'Movie version' Red Star stuff on Main Theme Minimalist... I had no clue. As an American, yes i'm used to the CBS TV pilot movie. cool


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Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: Mark J.Cairns] #3501
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Originally Posted by Mark J.Cairns

You'll also hear the orchestral theme (which is what Jan is referring to in the topic above) can also be heard prominently in the "PILOT" and other 1st Season eps. Sly Levay even brought it back again (albeit it mixed with synth) in the 3rd Season "EAGLES" episode.


Yup, of all the themes its one that stands out a lot. Just a bugger that without paying for an orchestra its something that won't happen. frown

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Bought and downloaded the tracks yesterday. Listening to them now on my iPod (new bluetooth headphones arrived today, yay!).

Fantastic new tracks. I'm listening to the original 2CD on my iPod quite frequently and these are excellent additions.

Can't wait for more!

Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: gerv] #3505
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Originally Posted by gerv
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Just a bugger that without paying for an orchestra its something that won't happen. frown


Technically, it has already been done with Sly Levay's own, re-done orchestration for Track 01 on the original AWT Special Bonus CD2. Originally my brief to him was to re-do the Sand-dune chase in the 'Pilot' but he insisted he wanted to make it bigger and do more with it. Tsk. Original Composers! Get bored too easily ;D

Financially, the figures just don't add up to do just one track with an orchestra. We'd never make the money back on the cost.

I'd discussed it at length with Udi Harpaz personally (the show's other composer) last year in London, but no matter what way we looked at it, it just wouldn't work, nor would it be the same. If wink the "sand dune chase" orchestral happens (it would be the last one to be tackled to finish off the project) with the AET 2CD, it'll be Jan who will try it. But only if we both feel it's good enough will it be released.

Originally Posted by Great 80s TV
Bought and downloaded the tracks yesterday. Listening to them now on my iPod (new bluetooth headphones arrived today, yay!).

Fantastic new tracks. I'm listening to the original 2CD on my iPod quite frequently and these are excellent additions.

Can't wait for more!


Many thanks for your support again, G80s. It's appreciated.


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Loving these tracks on the new EP,

I was wondering Mark is there anywhere where we can get a downloadable cover for the soundtrack,I've seen the one in the downloads section but it has a 'sample' watermark running through it,
I'd love to make a cover for this to put them into my collection next to my Airwolf themes set

Kindest regards
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Originally Posted by Mark J.Cairns



Technically, it has already been done with Sly Levay's own, re-done orchestration for Track 01 on the original AWT Special Bonus CD2. Originally my brief to him was to re-do the Sand-dune chase in the 'Pilot' but he insisted he wanted to make it bigger and do more with it. Tsk. Original Composers! Get bored too easily ;D




Is that track available for download>?

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Originally Posted by TYS
Loving these tracks on the new EP,

I was wondering Mark is there anywhere where we can get a downloadable cover for the soundtrack,I've seen the one in the downloads section but it has a 'sample' watermark running through it,
I'd love to make a cover for this to put them into my collection next to my Airwolf themes set

Kindest regards
Tys


I'll obviously not put the high-res version on-line for the pirates to make use of. wink

But the following should be good enough for iTunes/iPod or a decent ink-jet of it:

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Thanks for all the replies Jan and Mark, much appreciated nod.

I just figured out that the first season synth theme could be edited to produce at least 3 different variations, at least I think so, which are:

1. Airwolf: Startup theme
2. Airwolf: President's Mach Plus Ride
3. Mad Over Miami Battle (Obvious)

To Snare A Wolf is in there too but for some reason it sounds incomplete.

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Originally Posted by Mark J.Cairns
[quote=TYS]Loving these tracks on the new EP,

I was wondering Mark is there anywhere where we can get a downloadable cover for the soundtrack,I've seen the one in the downloads section but it has a 'sample' watermark running through it,
I'd love to make a cover for this to put them into my collection next to my Airwolf themes set

Kindest regards
Tys


I'll obviously not put the high-res version on-line for the pirates to make use of. wink

But the following should be good enough for iTunes/iPod or a decent ink-jet of it:


Cheers Mark wink
Just what I was looking for,
Didn't think about the piracy thing with a hi-res one..........DOH

Kindest regards
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Originally Posted by gerv
Do you mean track 24? Just bought 23 and doesn't sound like what i was expecting.


Nope, defo Track 23 (which was Track 1 on CD2) was Sly's new orchestral interpretation of the Main Theme. Yes, I realise it's different to the pure orchestral used in Moffet's sand dune chase after Gabrielle died, but that's what he wished to do.


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What's wrong with Sly's Season 1 Main Theme on AWT?

I thought it was pretty damn amazing.


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Re: Airwolf MAIN THEMES EP - discussion [Re: St. John Hawke] #3517
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Originally Posted by St. John Hawke
Greatly helps, and answers the questions. Thank you.

I'm hoping there's a complete breakdown of this stuff, track by track (unless obviously identifiable) on the liner notes for AET. Just for quick reference.


Here's a breakdown of track 3 (I can't get used to that number by the way, our internal numbering was slightly different!):

00:00 - 01:08 - "Bite of the Jackal", tail rotor gets hit
01:09 - 02:42 - Red Star Test Run "movie" version (excerpt)
02:43 - 04:12 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial
04:13 - 04:48 - "Bite of the Jackal", take-off after fixing the tail rotor
04:49 - 05:25 - "To Snare a Wolf", Bogard's theme ("silver chase")
05:26 - 06:40 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial

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Thx on the heads up for the 'Movie version' Red Star stuff on Main Theme Minimalist... I had no clue. As an American, yes i'm used to the CBS TV pilot movie. cool


Well, so am I. I learned about the different score in the "movie" version from Mark.


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Originally Posted by St. John Hawke
What's wrong with Sly's Season 1 Main Theme on AWT?


Well, for one thing, the "trademark bass sequence" is wrong :>

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Originally Posted by Jan Michal Szulew

Well, for one thing, the "trademark bass sequence" is wrong :>


Now now Mr Szulew... the Sorcerer's Apprentice shouldn't be criticizing "Merlin"! lol2 Any spell he creates is fine by me.


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Originally Posted by Mark J.Cairns
Now now Mr Szulew... the Sorcerer's Apprentice shouldn't be criticizing "Merlin"! lol2 Any spell he creates is fine by me.


Without getting into "technical details" let me just say that it appears to me that he forgot how the sequence should go (understandable after all those years) and didn't spend enough time to research it. Otherwise, it's fine, I liked his new take on the Ascending Bridge.

By the way, during the part just before the finale verse (ala Daddy's Gone a Hunt'n closing credits) what instrument plays the lead? I can't put my finger on it - sometimes it feels like a sax, sometimes like an overdriven guitar?



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I, too, found the Ascending Bridge to be that recording's best quality.

After hearing the Bite of the Jackal closing credits for the first time, I always thought saxaphone was the perfect instrument for Airwolf's underlying band part. After hearing its use by the Munich Philharmonic, I changed my mind.


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Originally Posted by St. John Hawke
What's wrong with Sly's Season 1 Main Theme on AWT?

I thought it was pretty damn amazing.


Nothing really wrong with it, im just looking for something that sounds more like the ending battle sequence from echoes from the past.

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Originally Posted by Wolf873
I just figured out that the first season synth theme could be edited to produce at least 3 different variations, at least I think so, which are:

1. Airwolf: Startup theme
2. Airwolf: President's Mach Plus Ride
3. Mad Over Miami Battle (Obvious)

To Snare A Wolf is in there too but for some reason it sounds incomplete.


Way ahead of you smile Not only I made the edits, I also merged them with the original video. In addition to the mentioned there's also the String vs Winchester scene from "Mind of the Machine".

Not sure what you mean about "To Snare a Wolf" though.


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Guy's .... Mark and Jan ,
I have to say a big " Well done and Thankyou very much upon the " Airwolf Themes EP "
I downloaded them this morning and have played them roughly for 6 hours now .... driving the wife MAD !
These four remixes are ..... for want of better words ... BRILLIANT !

I really look forward to the upcoming " Airwolf Themes Extended " and will be queing for one straight away .

I was really impressed with the video link put together for this too , with Mark and the Mock up ( and Marks little spin ) I think the whole thing was done with style , and also stands a true testiment to what is .... Airwolf .

Once again Thankyou guys .... 10/10 !


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from Ron Renauld's opening to the novel "Airwolf"
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Originally Posted by Jan Michal Szulew


Way ahead of you smile Not only I made the edits, I also merged them with the original video. In addition to the mentioned there's also the String vs Winchester scene from "Mind of the Machine".

Not sure what you mean about "To Snare a Wolf" though.


Oh yeah Mind of the Machine Simulated battle theme is in there as well. O & when I mentioned To Snare A Wolf, I meant the part after String says "Wish me Luck", that tune that plays when he engages turbos doesn't seem to be in the track. Or maybe I can't seem to get a fix on it crazy

O and could you possibly post those edited themes with videos, at least to those who purchased the tracks via pm maybe? I would really really love to see them edited by a pro. grin

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Originally Posted by Jan Michal Szulew
Here's a breakdown of track 3 (I can't get used to that number by the way, our internal numbering was slightly different!):

00:00 - 01:08 - "Bite of the Jackal", tail rotor gets hit
01:09 - 02:42 - Red Star Test Run "movie" version (excerpt)
02:43 - 04:12 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial
04:13 - 04:48 - "Bite of the Jackal", take-off after fixing the tail rotor
04:49 - 05:25 - "To Snare a Wolf", Bogard's theme ("silver chase")
05:26 - 06:40 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial


Thank you very much for this. thumbs


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Originally Posted by St. John Hawke
[quote=Jan Michal Szulew]Here's a breakdown of track 3 (I can't get used to that number by the way, our internal numbering was slightly different!):

00:00 - 01:08 - "Bite of the Jackal", tail rotor gets hit
01:09 - 02:42 - Red Star Test Run "movie" version (excerpt)
02:43 - 04:12 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial
04:13 - 04:48 - "Bite of the Jackal", take-off after fixing the tail rotor
04:49 - 05:25 - "To Snare a Wolf", Bogard's theme ("silver chase")
05:26 - 06:40 - "Mad Over Miami"/"Fight Like a Dove" mid-aerial


Thank you very much for this. thumbs


I think you can apply that first one to Proof Through The Night where Hawke takes out the chopper with Turbos only.

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